Posted by John B. Kelly
Thanks to Words and Deeds of Newton, we are able to provide the complete transcript of the access board's hearing on May 8, 2006.
I put the choicest exchanges in bold print. If you can't wait, scroll down to the exchange between board member of Martin Ebel and Boston disabilities Commissioner Stephen Spinetto. It is priceless!
MASSACHUSETTS ARCHITECTURAL ACCESS BOARD HEARING, MAY 8, 2006
· Gerald LeBlanc, Acting Chairperson
· Douglas Semple, Member
· Martin Ebel, Member
· Myra Berloff, Office on Disability designee
· Diane MCLEOD,
PLAINTIFFS: John Kelly, Jack Grieco, Billie Tyler, Pam Beeler, Richard Nurt, Kathy Podgers, Karen Schneiderman, James Magee.
DEFENDANTS: David Mariano (Engineer, Fay, Spofford & Thorndike ) , Stephen Spinetto (Boston Disabilities Commissioner)
GERALD LeBLANC: This is a hearing before the Architectural Access Board regarding Huntington Avenue sidewalks between Mass. Ave. and 250 Huntington Avenue in Boston. It’s a variance request and also a find hearing with Docket V06046. The day is the 8th of May in the year 2006 at approximately two p.m. This hearing is being recorded and the sound file can be reviewed during 14 hours of any business day. At this point, I’d like to introduce the Board. My name is Gerry LeBlanc.
[MR. LeBLANC INTRODUCES AND SWEARS IN PARTICIPANTS.]
STEPHEN SPINETTO: As you know, there have been some issues of the cross-slopes on the sidewalk. The City of Boston was not the contractor and was not even the project manager for this project. It was a Mass. Highway Department project in conjunction with the MBTA. We were not party — no signatures with the contractor. The work consisted of some sidewalk reconstruction that did not include curb resetting. The curb heights -- the curbs stayed the same, as did the thresholds and the issues on the sides of the buildings, and in many places, including the MBTA entrances, those were required to stay at the same height. So the issue was just the resurfacing of the sidewalk itself, and tree grates, things like that. It was just a surface restoration.
There were places -- we had -- we went out and measured once with the plaintiff. When we went out and measured -- the areas that we measured we found to be in compliance. Now that was last year sometime. Now the difficulty is with a unit paver system. You could be – one foot here in compliance and move six inches and find that you have a little bit of a slope there, and in particular when you’re using a two-foot level, if the bricks aren’t dead flat themselves, these unit pavers are not absolutely flat. You can have two bricks actually meeting each other. It doesn’t take much more than kind of a small pebble any kind of imperfection in the surfaces of the brick could throw it into a noncompliant level, particularly with a small two-foot level, when you use electronic smart level.
Somewhere along the line, the complainant went out and measured on their own and found some specific areas that were in non-compliance. We subsequently went back. We thought we were in compliance with what we measured. We weren’t with them when they did their own test. We had our professional engineers come out and did literally a very extensive [expensive?] measurement cross-section down the sidewalk. Maybe you can explain what you did exactly at this process.
DAVID MARIANO: [SHOWS DOCUMENT WITH MEASUREMENTS.] Just to orient you: this is the art store [Utrecht Art Supplies].
STEPHEN SPINETTO: Green line --
DAVE MARIANO : This is along Huntington Avenue. You ignore this stuff in the middle. This is a continuation over here. There’s a red mark here. It’s the same red mark as over here. Up at this end is Gainsborough Street. In December, on the design [... unintelligible...], we met with AAB to determine, first, determine how we were going to do this. We agreed that we would go every 10 feet. If we found a cross-slope in the travel way that exceeded two percent, we would go back a few feet and go forward. If we did not find – for instance, over in this area, you do not see any red or any green. The cross-slope is 1.6 percent. We just moved on to the next ten feet.
Now there are three colors you can see on the plan. The red is where the cross-slope exceeded three percent. The green was where the cross-slope was between two and 3 percent, and the blue is where the cross-slope is two percent or less. So, we gathered this information – I believe in January -- and that’s the plan you see in front of you. The contractor went out there with the MBTA – and I believe Steve -- and requested a variance for a cross-slope variance of between two and three percent. So the City requested that the contractor repair all those areas that exceeded three percent. This is the result of that -- [rustle of papers]. There are a lot of a...
GERRY LeBlanc : [Discussion of handing out copies of findings]. We’re taking this as Exhibit One. Go ahead.
DAVE MARIANO: This represents the survey we did on Saturday. The contractor just finished up on Saturday. This is the red area in front of the art store. He went out there and tried to match – he tore up all the brick. He re-raised it. He tried to get the cross-slopes less than two percent and when he couldn’t he went a little over two percent. As you can see the red area now, in that section – they are two bricks wide and 3.1 percent is the cross-slope --
STEPHEN SPINETTO: On two bricks
DAVE MARIANO : on two bricks.
STEPHEN SPINETTO: On two bricks
DAVE MARIANO : Now, I don’t think you want to go through all these numbers. It’s pretty self-explanatory. If you go to the next sheet, it’s the next area that’s in red, he was able to bring all the cross-slopes between probably two-and-a-half percent and less. The third area, the same thing. The fourth area, there is one area where he missed -- and it’s because the bricks are so irregular. They're "City Hall Pavers." It's a baked brick, it's not a wire-cut brick and the surfaces are irregular.
Again, it looks like he was trying to match the south there also. As you can see, there aren’t many red areas compared to the one [i.e., survey] in January.
STEPHEN SPINETTO: There's one larger area of red, at the NStar vault.
DAVE MARIANO : Well, there's another 1 --
STEPHEN SPINETTO: There's two vaults, one's NStar for sure, one's...
DAVE MARIANO : this sheet here, sheet 8 of 9 – we went out, and the blue area was actually where the contractor was asked to fix. We started measuring a side of the vault and we found that there was another area, where the contractor....
MARTIN EBEL: What does this area correspond to on the larger drawing?
STEPHEN SPINETTO: Right about in the spot above the center. Station 4+10. There are three areas – aside from these little spot areas. There’s an NStar vault , and we’re talking with NStar now about resetting that because that exceeds three percent. The area I just explain to you, and that's up by Gainsborough Street. There's a driveway, the walk in front of the driveway is steep, also. And that’s because they couldn’t lower the grade. It’s private property at the back of the sidewalk.
GERALD LeBLANC opens for questions from the board.
MR. CLIFFORD: Do you remember -- this is the third time? Originally and then you you fixed it, and then you fixed it again? Or was it just once?
DAVE MARIANO : The contractor was out there [once?]
MARTIN EBEL: Who made the choice to use the unipaver system?
STEPHEN SPINETTO: The City, the MBTA and the community after a couple of years of community meetings.
MARTIN EBEL: The community made the choice?
STEPHEN SPINETTO: Yes.
MARTIN EBEL: Did you have a democratic vote on the use of unipavers?
STEPHEN SPINETTO: It wasn’t a democratic vote, but --
MARTIN EBEL: Who made the choice, sir?
DAVE MARIANO: As I said, the City of Boston and the MBTA and Mass. Highway.
MARTIN EBEL: And the person who owns the property is the City of Boston?
STEPHEN SPINETTO: Correct.
MARTIN EBEL: Has -- When did the reconstruction of the reconstruction begin? This year.
STEPHEN SPINETTO: Well, we did some in the fall and then we discovered that we didn't hit all the areas, and we did some this spring.
MARTIN EBEL: When did we begin?
STEPHEN SPINETTO: I’m not sure of the date.
MARTIN EBEL: And is it your intention at this point in time -- you’re looking for us to grant you a variance on all of the cross-slopes that are currently out of spec for our regulations? Is that correct?
STEPHEN SPINETTO: All the areas that are between two percent and three percent. That’s the requested variance.
MARTIN EBEL: So these red areas with the label Exhibit One – if the contractor's gone back and fixed and yet they're still over three percent, your intention for those is to do what?
STEPHEN SPINETTO: The NStar vault, NStar will come back and fix that. On the corner of -- in front of the Green Line entrance we are, in the next year or so, replacing that entire sidewalk anyway, using concrete as part of the Massachusetts Ave. -- include that as part of the Massachusetts Avenue reconstruction. We're taking [steps?] We’re going to replace that with concrete sidewalks there, along Massachusetts Avenue and in the Symphony area. So that's going to be replaced in any case.
MARTIN EBEL: You're referring to what? Please demonstrate. Show me.